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I thought there was something hauntingly familiar about the denouement of The Day of the Moon, and finally I've dug it up: check out Eight O'Clock in the Morning by Ray Nelson and tell me if you can see the similarities too.

Note: anxiety of influence and all that aside, I'm not calling the Moff a rip-off artist or anything like that. I just think it's an interesting intertextuality/influence/shout-out to a fairly obscure bit of SF history.

Date: 2011-05-03 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaosdeathfish.livejournal.com
That's an awesome story! I need to read more Ray Nelson.

Date: 2011-05-03 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arachnekallisti.livejournal.com
He's a fascinating bloke. Hung out with Simone de Beauvoir and William Burroughs, helped Michael Moorcock smuggle banned books out of France, gave Philip K. Dick his first hit of LSD...

Date: 2011-05-03 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mejoff.livejournal.com
Also a ig influence on 'They Live'?

Date: 2011-05-03 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arachnekallisti.livejournal.com
I believe so. That's another film on my to-watch list - I do mean to catch up on John Carpenter's better horror films.

Date: 2011-05-04 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prochytes.livejournal.com
Oooh, good spot!

I am playing with a little theory that Nu!Who in particular has an interesting line in exploring the history and impact of various media at the same time as it is going back in Earth history. Thus, as I remarked at the time, The Idiot's Lantern (as one would expect from the title) is about television and people's hopes and anxieties concerning the medium (note in particular that "Florizel Street", where most of the action of that episode takes place, was a rejected title for Coronation Street). This is particularly thematized in episodes which hinge around an important broadcast of some sort: the Doctor's plan in tDotM, for example, works on the same lines as The Wire's in tIL.

There is definite mileage, I think, in the notion that tDotM is a stealth study of/homage to classic sci-fi. The title is obviously old-school (cf. Day of the Triffids, Day of the Starwind... Day of the Daleks, even) and there is the interesting distancing motif of Future!Eleven's nostalgia about 1969 in The Impossible Astronaut ("I thought I'd never be done saving you."). Note, too, the presence of River the archaeologist - the vibe there is not too far from Planetary.

Date: 2011-05-06 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arachnekallisti.livejournal.com
That's a very interesting take on it, and it does explain a lot - in the RTD era in particular, there's the tendency for the historicals to focus on famous writers, which is another take on the power of the media. The denouement of The Shakespeare Code, in particular, is one long love letter to memorable and quotable pop culture then and now.

There was definitely a retro sci-fi vibe to tIA/tDotM - both titles have a very golden-age SF feel to them. We have tributes to 60s SF and also actual 60s science there, and you're right about the whole "secret history" vibe.

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